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Thread #107116   Message #2218576
Posted By: Bee
18-Dec-07 - 08:11 PM
Thread Name: BS: Failure of Feminism?
Subject: RE: BS: Failure of Feminism?
john f. weldon, I seriously doubt that the women you describe were feminists in anything but the faddish manner in which many people take up current rhetoric.

I am a feminist. I have never been concerned, nor have any of the women I have counted as friends, colleagues or role models, with minutiae like gender specific language, except where it literally removed women from the picture. I remember men saying things like "They call them 'fire/policemen' for a reason."

I remember not being allowed to apply for a job as a flag"man" with the highway department, being told (along with the entire first year class) by my art college history prof that "the women here are wasting their money and my time. Women do not become artists.", and not even being allowed into a bar or tavern, or even a 'Ladies' Beverage Room' without a male escort. When I first started working in childcare in the seventies, incidents of male bosses firing or otherwise punishing mothers who had to come pick up a sick child. I remember my aunt being fired from her job because she was pregnant.

I could go on and get considerably more serious regarding gender inequality in terms of medical care, pay, career oppportunities, sexual assaults, treatment by the judiciary, and so on.

The work of feminists and the men who agreed with them has made this a much fairer society than it was pre-1970. If you aren't aware of that, it's unfortunate but at least means a lot has been achieved. If you are aware, and can only post in a discussion about seriously oppressed women that feminists are crap, then I can only assume you have issues regarding women who aren't doormats.