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Thread #107116   Message #2220224
Posted By: Jack Campin
21-Dec-07 - 06:29 AM
Thread Name: BS: Failure of Feminism?
Subject: RE: BS: Failure of Feminism?
John Weldon: In Turkey, "secular" does not usually mean "not Muslim". It means you want a secular form of government. The most enthusiastic secularists have been the Alevis, whose Islamic practices are unusually private (no mosques) but if anything conducted with more zeal than the average. Most Sunnis have been secularists until recently too, of course - Turkey's experience with Islamic government under the later Ottomans was such a catastrophic mess only a few cranks want to go back to it.

Islamic fundamentalism in Turkey was largely a creation of the US under Reagan, as it was in Afghanistan. The NATO-sponsored generals who ran the country after 1980 used the fundies first as disavowable death squads run by the secret police (like the "Hizbollah" in the East - no connection with other groups using that name - who killed thousands of Kurdish activists) and later to build a Turkish-nationalist/Sunni-fundamentalist coalition to oppose the majority Alevi/socialist one that formed in the 1970s. That coalition is still a rather small minority, but with so much support from the state (and the US, and conservative European regimes, and Israel) it's horribly dangerous. (And other "Islamic fundamentalists" are de facto social democrats, particularly in local government - Turkish party alignments are probably more fluid than those of any other country).