About 50 posts back Amergin took the thread title literally and said 1381 and 1973 were dates when dreams died. Now I agree with 1381, when John Ball rang the bell, but can find nothing to remember about 1973 except the first energy crunch and gas lines. . . was THIS what you meant? the "loss of a dream" that comes from realizing the curve is not monotonic? what DID you mean? wondering is PETE at work