No examples of ad hominem attacks, Jeri? Or have I found something that you said and misrepresented it? Please don't think that I am attacking you in any way. Just trying to help you formulate a more cohesive discussion. I honestly enjoy things that are well done and well thought out. Be it music or rhetoric I cannot understand things that do not make sense. Please help me see why you feel the need to accuse people of things they have not done. I have already apologised, twice, where it has been pointed out I may be wrong. But no-one, as yet, has proven the case against:-(

PM me if it is not for general discussion!

Cheers

Dave