Sorry to intrude, as a non-UKer, but as a former National Interim Committee member of what is now the Labor Party in the US, the topic is critically important to me. Our party is presently non-electoral, and one reason for that is, until a party can have some control of the economic picture, they will always be making the choice between "pragmatism and principle". I hope that Livingston can provide a working example of what a real working class elected official should do....