My comments about logic are similar to saying that it is irrelevant how many sheep you have and how intelligent they are or are not, 25 over here and 25 over there do NOT add up to 60. Math is what it is...and logic **APPLIES** to the internal coherence of claims, no matter what 'might' be final truth. Therefore, it is NOT subjective to assert this, except in so far as it is subjective to bother with the distinction. *wry grin*

   The only real point, therefore, is that one should be aware of what they assert, and to whom, and under what circumstances, lest one's assertion be shown to be **technically** invalid.

Folks who see this just fine when discussing the 'quality of life in Toledo', often cannot see why it also applies when it is applied to some 'tender' area, such as religious beliefs.

If I explain I just don't WISH to live in Toledo, or don't like rhubarb, I can get shrugs...if I explain that I don't WISH to have my 'soul saved', I often get arguments and sadness. (I grew up in Kansas, where it was close to dangerous in some places to admit that you were not a Christian.) As you see, I have reacted to those attitudes.)