I totally agree that 'strict' definitions are not possible in something like this....but when I argue for flexible, usable, definitions that allow categories and 'litmus tests', it seems that some just do not even want to discuss the possibility! There is a big difference between "we can't do that" and "I don't like it, it cramps my style".

For about a year now, (with loooonng breaks) I have offered not only reasons why people need categories and usable definitions in many of the things they do..(not just in music), but also examples of categories, definitions and decision making processes which could be used.....but except for a few questions and critiques about details, this does not seem to interest very many.

There are friendly, gentle reproofs to my crusade...."a general spirit of open-mindedness will serve us better"....*grin*, Joe...and some not-so-gentle reproofs..."why does everything have to have labels & tags?" even a few fairly caustic remarks.

A few may remember that I said I was trying to write this all up in a complete way...like a term paper, or what have you....and I shall continue...and when I have it, I will offer it to those who wish to read it. Until then, I think I will largely avoid these discussions and just play music and post songs. I have always been aware that there was not much I could do about it anyway....people post what they want and reply to what they want. It is I who must learn to live with a forum which is broader than I might wish........and the value of this forum is SO great, that I would much rather do the extra work of sorting out what is extraneous to my interests, rather than fanning the flames of disagreement.It will also save me a GREAT deal of time and energy!!...*wink*....

I do take consolation that there HAVE been more instances where really off-the-topic requests have been referred to other venues since these discussions began...it is always useful to at least 'air' a topic occasionally....now...I gotta go and dig up some words someone asked for.....peace....