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Thread #108028   Message #2245627
Posted By: WFDU - Ron Olesko
26-Jan-08 - 04:26 PM
Thread Name: BS: Is this how you treat kids in New York?
Subject: RE: BS: Is this how you treat kids in New York?
" I am not a terrorist and I never will be , and this was not about me , was it ?


You entered yourself into the discussion when you said "I have no problem about not visit US at all , I may go somewhere else where the goverment treat me as a human being" which led me to ask you how you were treated. From your later answer, it soudns as if you had no problem entering. Which leads me to my previous statement, that not everyone is treated like a terrorist - which several people in this discussion have made the insinuation.

"you say you don't accuse Yvonne Bray and her daughters of lying but then you object to the suggestion that the way they were treated was very difficult for them"
That is not what I said at all. IF you read my posts, you will note that I say their reaction was genuine - however there is a question as to whether their treatment was especially harsh. They felt it was, and I am not questioning their reaction. I am questioning whether the intent was to be harsh or whether their understanding of the procedures may have added to their discomfort.

Among the unasked and unanswered questions are- when the mother allowed someone to take the daughters, what rights did she give away? Did she understand that she was giving the rights of legal guardian to someone else - was that even what happened? As legal guardians, was the ACS in their rights to check on their condition, ascertain if there was any illness or physical abuse, make sure they were kept safe, etc?   

If you can't separate their reaction from the act, there is no point having this discussion.

McGrath - I don't know if this is common in your country, but I have been led to understand that it is quite common for parents to leave their children in a stroller outside of a store or a restaurant when they go inside. I find that appaling and barbaric and a sign of poor parenting.   I also understand that it is quite common in your country for people to allow cats to roam free outdoors. Many people in my country would find that barbaric. I'm sure if you and I ever get a chance to sit down for a beer (I'm buying), we could find other instances where one culture differs significantly from others.