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1. Mrrzy, I agree completely with you, blind faith IS dangerous. It is used by some to manipulate and lead people into doing horrendous things. Evidence Jones town, Aryanism, Kamikaze and radical Islam among others. But foolish faith? Wherein lies YOUR faith? Or do you have any? The first evidence of susceptibility is denial.

2.PMB, England adopted "rational religion"? You don't explain what that means. Does it mean that England dictates what you are to believe and that makes it better or right or correct? A transcendent religion may not base its ultimate reality in a purely rational system of thought but does that mean it is "irrational"? Why not super-rational? Isn't it bigoted to condemn what you may not understand?

And yes, a lot of evil has been perpetrated under the name of God and Christ and Buddha and Mohammad, etc. This says something about the nature of certain men and mankind in general. It also says something about ignorance and prejudice. You make the fallacy of attributing what may be true of the part to the whole. Isn't it true that misinformed or half-informed people can be led to run amok regardless of the chants' name(s)?

3. Amos, did I invent Christianity? Was I taking dope when I had an encounter with Christ? Were you there? Straw man. And don't you at least see a historical context for Christianity and a history of Christian thought? You do violence, verbally, not to just myself but many millions of believers who may worship under differing chapel names but all under the name of Jesus Christ.

4. Bob cautions Mrrzy to not fall into the trap THEY'VE set for you? I have become a "THEY"? Is not this too, prejudice? Fallacy of the hasty generalization. Ridicule is your only weapon? Not reason? Not education? Not honest examination?

5. And Joe, the forces of fundamentalism? Don't you mean to use a capital "F"? Fundament, foundations, fundamentals, basic structures upon which to erect something? Virtually everything in this world has a foundation or it does not stand. It will not last. Christianity has been around for almost 2000 years and its well-spring, Judaism another 1500 years at least and most probably a lot longer. Yes, I believe in certain fundamental principles and percepts upon which I base my beliefs. You find this frightening or is it just the label for all your boogeymen?

Some of you are very adept at trotting out your straw men and your preconceived ideas or just plain fallacious thinking and attacking the same. It lowers the level of discussion or eliminates it altogether. It begins to sound to me like magpies sitting on a wire squawking: a lot of noise but no substance.

Mrzzy trots out buzz words like "homophobic", "sexist" and "racist", why? Has she proved that I am these things or does she (I assume you are a "she") just want to taint me by their juxtaposition? Or is it easier to attack your known evils?

And one more and one last time I want to ask Amos why, pal, it is alright that a thread in the public forum, "There are no gods, not even Jesus Christ" and "Still no Gods in 2008" is fine and dandy but to counter the same is somehow offensive? That my beliefs are better left home? You all demonstrate the lie that you believe in equality and that you are fair and just. Utter hypocrisy.