Not sure where this thread is going but it's beginning to sound like a sermon.

Georgiansilver I can assure you that your god is not mine.

My beliefs have little relevance to the nature of this conversation which is emerging
as more of a diatribe.

I suspect a kind of religious intolerance in the guise of asking everyone to believe the way you do.

I see a defensiveness creeping into Mudcat on the part of those theists who are protecting their turf and the non-believers like me who feel that my views should not be dismissed.

This may be a futile effort. There is no real discussion here but a plethora of adamant opinions which serve little enlightenment.

Keep in going if you must but my view is that what I have read here doesn't amount to much.

When someone decides to pray for me, I assume that they are being patronizing and consider themselves more worthy of looking down on what they deem is a "poor sinner".
It's this sanctimony that spawns a reaction.

At the same time, people ought to be able to express their views with the caveat that
they may be challenged at any time.

Your god is not with me in 2008 or any time.

If you wish to discuss this furthur, I'm happy to oblige but I will make my position
very clear. If that steps on your religious toes, to use a religious term "amen" or "so be it".

Frank Hamilton