Like I said, anyone who claims to have 'voted for Nader' in the past, but it didn't do any good, hasn't a clue as to what Nader's campaigns are about. So IMO, there isn't any reason to listen to anyone making claims like that, because they don't mean anything.

Anyone who votes for Nader knows the chances of his winning are slim. Possible, of course. But slim. A vote for Nader shouldn't be a vote against the other guys.

It should be a vote for him as a candidate who would make a good president, to register a protest vote to the status quo politicians that we can't be bought, telling them we will continue to organize, and eventually throw them out of office like the bums they are.