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Thread #21239   Message #227339
Posted By: Abby Sale
12-May-00 - 08:45 PM
Thread Name: Tune Req: Thou Bonnie Wood of Craigielee
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Thou Bonnie Wood of Craigielee
Alan, I'm not finding your page, just an "Alan's Home page" that leads to a club, not songs,

Bob, I see I didn't answer your question of where I was quoting. Well, I'll post the whole thing. Enjoy the festival in the meantime.

Quoting in full from  The Traditional Ballad Index at the "Walting Matilda" reference.  Bob Waltz is usually a bit more conservative than this selection indicates but there's some pretty good evidence.

NOTES: Officially credited to A. B. "Banjo" Paterson (1864-1941), who claims to have written it in 1894, but this is dubious. For one thing, he told several different stories of its origin. Also, the lyric form is derived directly from "The Bold Fusilier," dated by its reference to Marlborough to the War of the Spanish Succession (1701-1714):
     A bold Fusilier was marching down through Rochester
     Bound for the wars in the low country
     And he cried as he tramped through the dear streets of Rochester
     "Wha'll be a sodjer for Marlborough and me?
          Wha'll be a sodjer, wha'll be a sodjer,
          Wha'll be a sodjer for Marlborough and me?"
          And he cried as he tramped through the dear streets of Rochester,
          "Wha'll be a sodjer for Marlborough and me?"
In addition, the song is known in variant forms in oral tradition (Australians seem reluctant to sing these variants, but John Greenway, the John Greenway Folkways recording is one such. John Meredith, who collected a version, reports that his informants learned it in the 1880s). We would also note that Paterson's official 1917 publication, with the subhead "Carrying a Swag," does not match the common version.
It has also been observed that Paterson never wrote anything else of any quality (and he knew it, because he several times made gibes at Henry Lawson). ("The Castlereagh River" achieved oral circulation -- but this could easily be another case of Paterson stealing a song.)
The most likely explanation is that Paterson took an existing piece, touched it up, and made it popular in the world at large. Even his own story hints at this: He allegedly wrote the story based on an event which took place near his girlfriend's home (though the event has not been confirmed historically), and a local girl (Marie Cowan) gave him this tune. (But we might note that Cowan was the wife of the original publisher.)
The tune has also been called "Thou Bonnie Woods of Craigie Lee" (the title which Paterson originally put to the tune), sometimes credited to James Barr or to Harry Nathan (so Mendelsohn, 1966), and reportedly first printed in 1818 -- but the air usually used for "Craigielea" is emphatically not "The Bold Fusilier" or "Walting Matilda." - RBW

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This reference to Meredith is valid. Meredith may be even stronger than Waltz.  Meredith, Vol 1, p73: "...most people realize that 'Waltzing Matilda' is simply a parody on 'The Bold Fusilier', which was widely sung in this country during the nineteenth century....'Craigielea' lacks even a superficial resemblence to 'Waltzing Matilda' as we know it today..."