Jon according to the young guy who worked on this and followed the instructions from Hearme I have the program and he has no idea why I cannot get on.. That makes two of us.. The only thing he can think of is that I am prevented by something outside of my server, which means your site or Hearme. Since I cannot get "The Lady Who Knows All" to fix it till she comes back, I'm toast. Yours, Aye. Dave