One thing is quite evident here and that is alot of folks here ain't been in many black churches...

I ain't never seen nothing like what happens in black churches ever happen in white churches... It's an entirely different experience... I've never heard a black preacher who didn't get "fired up"... I mean, slam fired up!!!

I've listened to the clips of Rev. Wright and don't really find fault wuith anything he says... Yeah, okay, it's hard to wrap one's head arounf "God damned America" but given the context of what he was saying, I agree with him... I personally cannot bring myself to say "God damned" but I understand what he was saying which was that God was damning some of the actions of our country... I'm sure that alot of the stuff we have done, including the the killing of upwards of a million Iraqis was God purdy steamed as US...

Okay, I understand the politics of this and most white folks would feel uncomfy in the middle of such a sermon and Obama understands this as well so he has put distance between those clips and himself... That's politics... But it doesn't make Rev, Wright any less correct...

Now as for associations... Politicans are busy people... They are dependent on lots of folks to organize events and to draw crowds and all that political stuff... Now if we are going to fight this campaign on inbvestigating and holding every person who a candidate has ever associated him or herself with then we're going to destroy any chance of having this election decided by anything other than a mud-fest...

I have and won't attack McCain for his personal associations unless it is obvious that the association will effect "public policy"...

This thread began with false information and inflamatory code words intended to paint Obama in anegative light... When I challenged GG to provide a source GG could not yet GG continues to attack, attack, attack me with "buzz words" and attack Obama with "code words" in an effort to cover GG's butt... Hey, that's fine... That's what folks do in debates...

I have not used any "buzz" or "code" words here... Those words are subtle hate words... This is what seperates those of us who are trying to change the culture od discussion from the old schoolers...

And no, I am not being self righteous (another buzz word) here... I am just calling this stuff the way I see it...

Square business...

B~