Good thought for the new folks Mark....and I'll add that ordering from Camsco (Dick Greenhaus) and Folk-Legacy (Sandy Paton) also benefits the 'Cat. Just remember to mention you're a 'Catter when you order. Plus, of course, Dick is the MAN of the DT and Sandy is a 'Catter of some note too.....Sandy's always too embarassed to say which note though.Spaw