Fair enough-I won't chime in on UK politics either for the same reason, or things I don't feel qualified to discuss. I disagree though about what Little Hawk and you suggest is the reason for the scoffers on here. As I said, I have read some of Icke's stuff, I read Jon Ronson's "Them", I get what he is talking about, and I disagree with it. Me sharing that information is NOT grappling with some of the issues Icke raises. That's putting words in my mouth (or thoughts in my head. And if you think that's a closed mind saying that, then you don't know me, and what my thoughts and beliefs are.