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Thread #110179   Message #2309769
Posted By: Slag
08-Apr-08 - 12:54 AM
Thread Name: BS: Debate: NRA good or Evil?
Subject: RE: BS: Debate: NRA good or Evil?
It is already hard for someone to legally obtain a weapon in California. There is a wait period and that time is supposed to be used for a background check to determine if you are mentally stable, a felon or have some other condition which would preclude you from owning a gun such as a restraining order. And I concur with these steps although I don't think it should take 15 days to conduct such and investigation. All this information is on tap in .gov somewhere. Then you have to go through a Federally licensed dealer to even exchange firearms between friends or family. It's ridiculous for the most part.

Weapons are easy for criminals to obtain through theft or fraud or they can make their own quite easily. There was even one instance where a prisoner in a state penitentiary made a completely functional semi-automatic pistol from odds and ends from the machine shop, clip included.

The VA Tech story would have had a completely different ending if just one of the students had a CCW. The carnage would have been greatly reduced. As it was, ALL THE LAW ABIDING STUDENTS WERE COMPLETELY DISARMED BY THE STATE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO PROTECT THEM. They were victims from the onset and it was the state that made them so. They demonstrate the lie that the state can protect you. It can't. When it comes down to you: your life, only YOU can protect you, if you have the means.

In an ideal world, there would be no need for weapons of self defense because "just everybody would get along so well!" But we do not live in an ideal world and to insist that we live as though we do is delusional. It's worse that delusional. It's suicidal.

Inside the first few pages of "The American Rifleman" there is a page of newspaper excerpts which demonstrate how ordinary folks have used guns to halt crimes in progress, usually without a shot being fired. Sometimes its a dog attack on a child and sometimes it's a house breaker who will not stop for anything. Sometimes it's a spouse who has armed herself with something more than a piece of paper that some judge has given her. In all the cases presented and the millions which only create a few lines in local newspapers it is the armed citizen which has made the difference.

So, where is the twist? Seems like straight shooting to me. As for the N. Hollywood bank robbery, if there hadn't been a local gun shop which gave those officers high powered rifles to take down the bad guys the story might have had the deaths of a few of LA's finest. What you fail to understand is that the battle line has been drawn. The bad guys HAVE the guns and no law is going to disarm them. Yeah, it's a crappy deal but what are you going to do? Lay down and surrender and hope they don't kill you just for fun? Well, what ever floats your boat but include me out. What is twisted if this was the founding fathers' point of view also? Seems YOU are the one with twisted logic here. Stay out of those bars. It may help.