Sedayne wont be surprised to find that I pretty much agree with what he says. When I went to a folk club for the first time in 1964 I was astonished that people could simply stand in a room and sing a simple song, tell a story and hold such great tunes. I have always enjoyed singing with others since the cubs and scouts.

Where Sedayne is most right is that the singing in small rooms is a lot of what folk is almost by definition and it can be both joyous and not much good.

Dave sums it up well from the other perspective, when we pay we expect value for money, maybe not great value but a bit. I think it is very difficult for Folk Clubs to provide quality and quantity every week for a long time. Whenits not very good and repetitive people stop going.

I really enjoyed Bellowhead, Pete Bog Faries, Duncan McFarlane Band, and Salsa Celtica but they seem a long way from the rest of us and from what ever we are trying to do.