Quite the contrary, I have a tremendous amount of respect for Malcolm X. But not for Farrakahn.

And it isn't me who made it all up, pdq. Just like there are white social conservatives who vote for the Democratic party, and white social liberals, who vote their class interests with the Republicans, there is that same complexity among blacks too.

But nationalism is always traditionalist and conservative, whether it is black nationalist, British or Irish nationalist, or Chinese nationalist.

And yes, the American black separatists have historically been, for the most part, quite moralistic and socially conservative (the part I didn't like about Malcolm X). The American black integrationists a little less moralistic (? but maybe not), and more socially liberal. As a rule of thumb. But they are all individuals first.

Which is why individuals don't fit real well into stereotypes. Even guests of Mudcat who piss you off.