Teribus, since this thread is about torture, tell me how many of those you listed above have been tortured? Tell me how many were tortured that provided names and locations for us to be able to capture them? Can't do that? That's because as I stated yesterday, our human intelligence has been improved (as well as physically having lots of soldiers around, that kind of helps too),aiding the capture of these men. I am absolutely disgusted that this country has applied torture to it's enemies. Your initial response to this thread came from a sheer sense of outrage at protesters actions against the police, yet you seem to be mouthpiecing the Bush administrations mantra of the standard rules don't apply after 9/11. So what that leads to is for someone else in the world to say, we are tired of the rules against torture. Let's capture some American or British soldiers and torture them, if they can change the rules, why can't we. ANd I'm taking a longshot on this Teribus, then I think that revulsion that you showed in your original post will come out at the audacity of someone doing that to our troops. So in the end, who wins when we torture? Probably the only one who does is the sadistic bastard who waterboards, or inserts objects where they don't belong. If you don't want to hear about someone doing that to our side, then we shouldn't do it as well.