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Thread #110621   Message #2324331
Posted By: GUEST,Lighter
24-Apr-08 - 11:02 AM
Thread Name: Bertsongs? (songs of A. L. 'Bert' Lloyd)
Subject: RE: Bertsongs?
Brian's ref. to "Lucy Wan" sent me to Ken Goldstein's notes to the influential "English and Scottish Popular Ballads" recordings for Riverside. Lloyd sang only two for which he did not offer a traceable source:

"Lord Bateman" (53): "[M]ainly from his own family tradition. He writes, however, that 'over the yers I have acquired so many bits from other singers' versions that I woulod be hard put nowto sort out which was which.'"

"The Cherry Tree" (54): No source given.

On the accompanying "Great British Ballads Not in the Child Collection" are

"The Bitter Withy": "Primarily a family version 'which has been amplified by printed versions over the years.'"

"The Bramble Briar": "The version sung by Lloyd, part of his family tradition, appears to be one of the finest versions yet reported."

"The Shooting of His Dear" [i.e., "Molly Ban /Polly Vaughn"]:
"[L]argely from his own family tradition,...expanded from various printed sources."

The remaining 32 songs performed by Lloyd are attributed to identified sources. Most are acknowledged collations of more than one source.

The attribution of four songs in outstanding versions to "family tradition" is fascinating. Did Lloyd ever write much about this tradition?

No version of "Lucy Wan" is included in the Riverside series.

I'll start a similar thread about MacColl's contributions when I get a chance.