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Thread #110480   Message #2325619
Posted By: Teribus
25-Apr-08 - 02:42 PM
Thread Name: BS: Torture!!!!
Subject: RE: BS: Torture!!!!
Ah, Windor, I am pleased that you have turned up.

This threat is about torture isn't it?

Well Irishenglish, old Windor would know quite a bit about torture, or the people he supports (or should that be supported) and continually defends, not as Guest Windor Knot, there's lots of names been used, haven't there Windor. You see irishenglish, Windor is a stout defender of the "bold" Provisional IRA, my mention of Mrs Jean McConville must have hit a thread in their little web, so an "attack" had to be launched.

Tell us about Mrs Jean McConville Guest Windor Knot, tell us all about why she was tortured. If you are a bit reluctant I'll repeat the tale I've told before:

Jean McConville was a Belfast-born mother of 10 who was abducted from her home and killed by the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) in or around Christmas of 1972.

McConville's family contend that she was killed as a punishment for aiding a dying British soldier in West Belfast following a fierce gun battle with the IRA, but the IRA claimed that they had discovered she was passing information on local republicans to the security forces via a secret radio transmitter. A claim that has been discounted by the Police Ombudsman Nuala O'Loan whose office carried out a full investigation, no transmitter ever existed and none has ever been brought forward by the PIRA - twelve "brave and bold heroes" of the PIRA abducted this 5 ft tall widow from her house, dragging her from her bath in front of her screaming and hysterical children, and we are expected to believe that they left the radio behind???

McConville's children reject this claim and have called on the IRA to clear her name. In January 2005, Sinn Féin party chairman, Mitchel McLaughlin, claimed that the killing of Jean McConville was not a criminal act. Now it is extremely important that they (The PIRA) hold to that line because the man who had to have sanctioned this beating, abduction, torture and execution of an entirely innocent woman had to have been the PIRA Officer Commanding in Belfast at the time - a certain Gerry Adams - embarassing or what?

In response to McLaughlin's statement, Social Democratic and Labour Party Justice Spokesperson Alban Maginness suggested that the IRA were culpable for War crimes as Jean McConville was "killed 'without previous judgement pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all judicial guarantees which are generally recognised as indispensable', and that constitutes a war crime in the definition of the International Criminal Court". A second war crime occurred by the IRA's ' refusal to acknowledge deprivation of [her] freedom or to give information on [her] fate or whereabouts'".

To elaborate on something stated above. In July 2006, Police Ombudsman Nuala O'Loan stated after an investigation by her office that there is no evidence that Jean McConville ever passed information to the security forces. Mrs O'Loan said she would give the family more details of the findings of her investigation in the near future and would make those details public.

Mrs O'Loan said it was not her normal role to confirm or deny the identity of people working as agents for the security services. "However, this situation is unique. Jean McConville left an orphaned family, the youngest of whom were six-year-old boys. The family have suffered extensively over the years, as we all know, and that suffering has only been made worse by allegations that their mother was an informant. As part of our investigation we have looked very extensively at all the intelligence available at the time. There is no evidence that Mrs McConville gave information to the police, the military or the security service".

In August 2006, Northern Ireland's chief constable Sir Hugh Orde said he is not hopeful anyone will be brought to account over the murder. Sir Hugh said: "Any case of that age, it is highly unlikely that a successful prosecution could be mounted." This I believe is a "deal" being offered obliquely to Mr Adams and his former associates.

Oh, yes Guest Windor Knot, I forgot about the "torture" part, didn't I.

On December 6, 1972, a gang PIRA "volunteers" sent a false message into a social club where Mrs McConville was playing bingo that her daughter Helen had been knocked down by a car. Once lured outside Jean McConville was pounced upon, interrogated, abused and battered.

The following night she suffered another dose of mob rule. A gang of 12 masked members of the PIRA — eight men and four women - burst into her home and dragged her from the bathroom. She was bundled screaming into a car as some of her children watched. It was the last picture of their mother they have in their minds. The terrified mother of ten, still in pain from the previous night's beating, was tortured, her fingers were cut off to extract the "confession" that she was an informer and once that had been obtained she was finally forced to kneel, whereupon a "hero" of "the cause" murdered her with a single shot in the back of the head.

And here Guest Windor Knot is the finale of the whole sorry business, I'll not go into the catalogue of lies and hand-on-heart denials of involvement in the death of Jean McConville issued by the PIRA by non-other than Gerry Adams himself in the ensuing years. But finally it was Bill Clinton involvement that got them to come part-way clean.

McConville's body was buried secretly on a beach in County Louth, approximately 50 miles from her home. The IRA did not admit their involvement until over 20 years later, when they passed information on the whereabouts of the body.

After a prolonged search, co-ordinated by the Garda Síochána - during which the search area and time involved was expanded by the Gardaí - the search was abandoned, as no body could be located in the area specified by the IRA.

In August 2003, her body was accidentally found by members of the public while they were walking on Shelling Hill beach.

"A Garda escort accompanied the cortège to the border from where it made its way to Crumlin in County Antrim to be waked at the home of her son Michael. The funeral took place on Saturday with Requiem Mass at St. Mary's Church in Belfast. In his homily, Bishop of Down and Connor, Dr Patrick Walsh referred to Mrs. McConville's killing as touching "the depths of depravity". Monsignor Tom Toner, a friend of the McConville family, said, "Jean McConville and the other disappeared will forever stand in judgement on the shame and guilt of their murderers". A Presbyterian minister, the Rev. Ruth Patterson, read out comments from Mrs. McConville's children. "Among the mourners were Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP) leader Mark Durkan and some of his colleagues. The Ulster Unionist Party was also represented but Sinn Féin politicians decided not to attend."

McConville, a Catholic convert, was buried beside her husband, Arthur, a British Army soldier who died in 1971, in Holy Trinity graveyard, Lisburn, County Antrim.

What Mrs Jean McConville suffered was torture. The two and a half minutes "waterboarding" that Khaled Shaik Mohammed endured doesn't even come close in comparison.

And finally Guest Windor Knot to answer your question:

"...answer the question. You were a cook and worked in the kitchen of a ship.People above are asking you to confirm this."

I have never served in the British Army, or anybody else's army for that matter.

As Gervase (24 Apr 08 - 05:52 PM) quite rightly points out in his post I served in the Royal Navy, where I was most definitely was not a cook and the only time I ever saw the inside of a "kitchen" was during rounds.

By the bye Guest Windor Knot, your terminology demonstrates more than anything your lack of real knowledge regarding myself. But just for future reference when you pop up as "Guest Something-else":

There is no such thing as a "kitchen" in the Royal Navy - They are all called Galleys even in shore establishments.