I understand the meaning as used for this thread, but the words "saga lout" don't mean that, usually, to me. I thought at first someone had really turned into a SAGA game addict and was spending all of their time on the sofa playing video games. Then I thought, well maybe it is someone being quite dramatic and creating a "saw-gah" and being a bit rude about it. So, then I open this and find that nutty has to have had a birthday and she's not taking crap from anyone any more. Good for you, Hazel!! (I guess I've been a saga lout all of my life.**bg**)