The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #110621   Message #2328411
Posted By: Les in Chorlton
29-Apr-08 - 05:31 AM
Thread Name: Bertsongs? (songs of A. L. 'Bert' Lloyd)
Subject: RE: Bertsongs?
"lES,what are you up to.Bert is dead,can we let him rest in peace,and can this thread be let to die.Bert has taken those answers with him to the grave.Dick Miles"

I guess this is for me Dick?

What am I up to? Good point.

This discussion started on the thread about with about he origins of Do me ama. It would appear that this is mostly Bert. This opened up the whole discussion about what was Bert and what was traditional.

If, as we have many of us tried to say, this was simply about good songs it wouldn't really be a discussion, Bert collected, shared and wrote many.

But Bert was a scholar with a hypothesis to test. I cannot sum up all that has been said. I think this thread has said it all. The points made by all sorts of people like Malcolm Douglass, Brian Perts, Greg Stephens, Phil in Chorlton and about 20 others make the same point: It was dishonest scholarship and Bert was a scholar. Folk song has a history of scholarship - an attempt to understand the songs and the lives of the people who shaped the songs. Bert has at least confused that study and to some extent discredited it.

I guess Bert was an atheist so what resting means is hard to say. As for taking answers to the grave, this thread shows that is not entirely the case.