I started the list -
If it is of interest to others let them add - as they will - providing they can be bothered with all the clutter. You see when you are having a quiet drink in a beautiful pub and the jukebox comes on - or as some people say to me - "the Folk Music Starts" (not everyone likes live folk music), do you stay? Usually NOT.

Well it is no different here. We have an opportunity for quiet discussion, but when people come in and start defending what has not been impuned in a bullish manner it all gets spoiled for those that want that quiet discussion. So they up-sticks and go. And the discussion fails.

You can't reason with unreasonable people. So you don't.

Loud is a relative term but I hear shouting ...............