We do need to be more cautious when commenting on military events, and what sources we are using for our conclusions. And civility is encouraged on this forum although I am not a moderator, and have no weapons at hand to dispatch unrurly posters.

I also have a fascination with military history, but I try not to lose sight of the fact that it is not all some "war game," that real people on both sides were killed, maimed or otherwise injured. At times I'm exceedingly well read, and at other times I shoot from the hip but I try to resist the temptation to do so.

This had been a good thread, and informative. And now it has gotten somewhat heated, but some would say with provocation.

Taking a deep breath before further posting may not be enough.

But I would hope everyone does that.

Charley Noble