WLD - I appreciate what you're saying, but whether we think Bert Lloyd was a fiend in human form or a hero of the Revival doesn't really make any difference to the question I want to look at, which is what he actually did. I mean, the "Spencer the Rover" John Kelly sings is essentially the same song that Bob Copper collected, which in turn is essentially the same song that you can find in the Bodleian's broadside collection. There are some songs collected by Bert Lloyd that you could make similar claims about, and others that you definitely couldn't. How long is list 2, that's the question - and it's a question we could quite possibly answer, with a little help from the people who really know this stuff. Whether or not Lloyd was justified in what he did is a different question, on which we'll probably never agree.