"Why didn't bert Lloyd and Ewan macColl take themselves as seriously as wot we do. Well actually they did. the only bloody reason you're here is cos of what they did. They did the best they could in the circumstances and with the insight the and expertise THEY had. Which may I suppose not have been up to the scholastic standards of some round here."

Well, this does not make a great deal of sense. My grandfather told me about the Wobblies and my uncle told me about Woody Guthrie. Both sang fragments of song. It made me want to sing, but I had to find 'the tradition' on my own because it wasn't lying around anywhere convenient. It wasn't anywhere around me, actually, but there were recordings and books that helped. It makes a hell of a difference whether something in a supposedly scholarly work was actually sung by a real person, or whether it was the product of the author. Re-creations are fine, but I want to know about it. And I really cannot understand why some folks here cannot understand that lying about one's sources is wrong.