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Thread #110914   Message #2335933
Posted By: autolycus
08-May-08 - 02:42 PM
Thread Name: BS: UK local elections: here comes poverty
Subject: RE: BS: UK local elections: here comes poverty
teri

I'm quite like you, small requirewments.

I repeat my, rather than Ake's characterisation, which you didn't respond to.

if we weren't encouraged to be greedy, a major motivation to keep buying would go, and THEN where would we be?

Don (WYSIWYG),

yOU WROTE,


IMHO, the single largest problem we have is the "US & THEM" which prevents capital and labour working together for the benefit of all.

WHICH i THINK RATHER CONFUSES AND HIDES THE PROB.

(Sorry for caps)


The fact is Capital and Labour are at odds.

The paradox is tha, :-

on the one hand,For Capital, Labour isn't people but a cost ,an economic cost 'to keep down/under control'.

On the other hand, without Labour there'd be no profits, no system, no stuff to buy. To THAT extent, C. and L. ARE working together. Neither C., nor an individual, makes cars, Labour does.

Yet Labour thereby 'makes' the profits, which it doesn't see much of. Explaining how Labour does is something those in work and on , below, or just above the minimum wage don't seem able to understand.

See Barbara Ehrenreich's Nickled and Dimed for the US experience of rumbling along the bottom, and Polly Toynbee's Hard Work for the UK experience (tho Polly cheated, because she kept popping home, unlike Barbara.) They were both written recently.

Ivor