The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #111199   Message #2341092
Posted By: beardedbruce
15-May-08 - 08:35 AM
Thread Name: BS: Obama on Zionism, Jews
Subject: RE: BS: Obama on Zionism, Jews
"Will refugees ever be compensated for lands taken from them?"

OK, let us look at the facts.

1. How many Palestinian Moslems left what became Israel, that would have lost land and possesions?

The best number I have found is 648,000. So, lets say 650,000.

2. How many Palestinian Moslems remained in that state, and are presently Israeli citizens ( with full voting priviledges)?

I will leave that to someone else to get- ( See pt. 4)

3. How many Jews were driven out of Arab nations and lost land and possesions?

The best number I can find is 820,000, some 560,000 of which settled in Israel.

4. How many Jews remained in the Arab nations, as full citizens?

Number varies form a few thousand to ZERO ( Jews prohibited in Saudi Arabia and Jordan)


Looking at the entire history of Palestine ( From it's creation as a Mandate in 1921, out of a part of the Ottoman Empire) my question is

What amout of the Mandate Palestine Territory is required to satisfy the Moslem population?

In the first census, Jews were 11%. By 1938, in spite of the illegal limits imposed by Britain, they were 33% of the Population of Mandate Palestine.

In 1923, the formation of the Palestinan Homeland ( from what was declared by the League of Nations to be the Jewish Homeland) gave 76% of the Mandate Palestine territory to the Moslems- with NO jewish immigration allowed. (NO limits on Moslem immigration to the remainder of the Mandate were imposed- contrawise, Britain illegally limited the immigrtation of Jews just at the time that Europs was actively trying to deport Jews.)

The 1948 plan, accepted by the Jews and REJECTED by the Arab League, gave a further majority of the territory to the Moslems. They chose to declare war rather than accept that division.

From Wiki-
"Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the State of Israel retained nearly all the territory that would have been assigned to it in the 1947 UN Partition Plan, as well as conquered half of the land intended to become the Arab state of Palestine and a portion of the territory intended for international administration around Jerusalem. The remaining half of the land that had been intended to become Palestine along the West Bank of the Jordan River was annexed by Jordan, as was most of the Jerusalem enclave; the Gaza Strip along the Mediterranean coast, also included in the Arab state territory, was captured by Egypt. "

Note that as of 1948, MOSLEMS controlled the entire area now "demanded" as a Palestinian state- YET they did NOT allow the formation of that state.

The peace treaty between Jordan and Israel recognizes the Jordan River as the border between the two states ( Israel and Jordan)