Sorry Ziggy and my apologies to all those good church-goers out there who do not indulge in nefarious activities. It was not my intention to offend you. WLD had already made the point that family life was not the panacea for all evils and referenced the recent events in Austria. I did the same with church-going. I was doubting the as yet unsubstantiated claimes made by Berchies survey. I am not doubting Berchie either - just asking for links to a survey that claims -

"The public think-tank compared the results with research into family life and behaviour across Europe, concluding that the U.K.'s poor record could be explained by a collapse in family and community life. In general, according to the study, teenagers in other European countries sit down much more frequently to family meals,attend church with their parents, go on holiday with their parents and spend considerably more time in general with their family. "

Unfortunately there are well documented flaws with both family life and religion and I do not beleive a return to the days when the stern father and mother church ruled everyones life will cure the worlds ills. It is education and respect for other people that count. A survey that discounts these items, or someone who purposely ignores them in favour of family values and religion gives me cause for suspision.

Cheers

Dave