That was me I was talking about there Dave! LOL!

I agree that we agree. But how in the name of hell will it be put right? My personal solution would be to re-introduce National Service, work the young buggers until there's no strength left in them for their antics, and let them work their aggression out in a structured and controlled environment (and they'd have some self-respect driven into them too), but I can very well understand that the armed forces almost certainly wouldn't want them. I suppose my above view will have the PC-brigade howling at me now!

It's a tough one, and I feel for the people in Manchester who had to deal with the situation they found themselves thrown into through no fault of their own. I had a situation on a train with some very drunk Doncaster Rovers supporters last year, and they scared me and Mrs. Backwoodsman shitless. Manchester must have been like your worst nightmare.

All the best.
J