I understand your position fine in general, Stigweard.

As I say, the vehicles I saw could have been ET Vehicles...or they could have been top secret vehicles of our own (but I doubt it, because I don't think we have progressed that far). I'll probably never know which it was, so I have to go on my best hunch...and that remains merely a hypothesis.

You say it's "convenient" for my coverup theory that all the evidence has been taken. Yeah. (shrug) So what? Look, if there IS a coverup then it stands to reason that all the evidence would be scooped up right quick by the most high security people possible, and the public and most government people would never get to see it.

So whether it's "convenient" or not in your eyes....it's simply inevitable that, if there is a coverup at all, the evidence would be all siezed and would be under lock and key by the security forces.

And there's nothing you or I can do about that.

If there is no coverup, on the other hand, then there are for sure no ETs visiting. If there are ETs visiting us since 1947 (or before that), there has simply GOT to have been a coverup for the last 5 or 6 decades.

It's one or the other.

What people believe about that generally lines up with what they want to believe...to bolster their already established opinion, for or against.

People who've actually seen what looked like alien craft to them definitely want to believe in the evidence of their own eyes, and in the power of their own judgement, not in someone else's who wasn't even there, and I'm one of those people who did see what looked like alien craft to me.

And that's why not you or anybody else can shake me on this.

I am really puzzled by this one paragraph you wrote:

"Look through my posts on the site LH - you'll see I'm no great fan of the establishment, our respective governments or even the capitalist system, but do I believe that aliens are enslaving us, bending the collective will to their own ends? No - there are plenty of ordinary Homo sapiens willing and able to do that for their own reasons and therin lies our problems the world over. No aliens controlling the Holocaust, Abu Ghraib, 9/11 or anything else, just plain, ordinary people. Perhaps because these capability to do these things is an intrinsic part of the human condition it's easier to invent a world controlled by malevolent alien invaders than it is to face up and address to our own inhumanity to each other."

Why would you say any of that to me??? I agree with you 100% on every point. I have never thought or said that aliens are enslaving us, controlling anything political here, or doing anything malevolent to us at all. Yes, we people are doing all that negative stuff to ourselves. That is what I've been saying! We are the problem here, not the aliens, they're just (I would assume) taking a harmless look at us and seeing what is going on on this crazy planet of ours. They're observing us, not doing any harm. We are doing all the harm to ourselves, and maybe sometimes to a few of them too...and the problem is precisely as you have stated...we must face up and address our own inhumanity to each other...and to other lifeforms of every kind, such as all the animals we kill and subject to conditions of misery. We do not have a good record. We are dangerous as a species.

So why the heck would you even have written that paragraph to me? Have you got me confused with someone else?

I do not subscribe to any of those scary, malevolent alien theories you mentioned.