Azizi- This is a most informative discussion. Would that it could be somehow consolidated for easier reading.

It is truly a shame that folks still think in terms of color, and worse, in shades of color. I remember a TV show episode wherein the Black protagonist was invited to a businessmen's club. The used the brown (shopping) bag test to see if he was light enough to be invited to join. He refused their offer.

My mother, of blessed memory, never could change current terminology, and still referred to Blacks as a Colored fella or woman, but never meant disrespect by it. A woman who I have coffee with regularly, a college graduate and former teacher also uses the term Colored; I guess old habits are hard to break for some.

During my Jr. High (Middle School) days, I used to walk to school with kids of Asian descent and Black-African descent. By high school the races self-segregated, except for the few Blacks who were athletes or had other special talents..

I have to go now, but I'd like to continue this in PMs if that is good with you.

John