I have quoted from Reg Hall, and Martin Carthy in my postings to WAV REFEREE, along with other salient points, which he chooses to ignore. He has also blown off comments from both Chris Parkinson and Eliza Carthy. Those four people combined have more intimate knowledge of English music than WAV has on his toenail, yet he sticks to his tired prose as an answer for everything. No, I haven't forgotten Referee what this thread was about. But when I start a thread, you better believe that I will follow it, agree with people, politely disagree with people, argue, counterargue, apologize, joke, laugh....whatever the case may be. WAV does not, he just repeats. What Snail said for me as well.