Ruth said "You made a presentation about WAV, Def Shepard?! " :-D

Good God No!, but in passing I did mention that there are people who will use the English Trad, for their own ends, and finished with, and I quote, " a friend of mine recently remarked that John Kirkpatrick does more for folk, just by getting out of bed, than some could ever hope to do, in their entire life times."