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Thread #111572 Message #2364237
Posted By: Teribus
12-Jun-08 - 11:10 AM
Thread Name: BS: Israeli Jews/Israeli Arabs
Subject: RE: BS: Israeli Jews/Israeli Arabs
CarolC - PM
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 07:08 PM
Now let me see what CarolC has come up with now, by way of denial, in order that she can stand shoulder-to-shoulder with her "Palestinian" brothers and sisters unburdened, in her own mind at least, by the transgressions of her ancestors:
1. "Europeans and people of European origin are responsible for the genocide of the indigenous people of North and South America," – What all of them CarolC? All the indigenous people of North and South America were killed and wiped out by Europeans and people of European origin (euphemism for Americans)? Really? Because that is what genocide is, the murder of a whole group of people, especially a whole nation, race or religious group. The "Holocaust" of the Nazi era was attempted genocide, what happened in Rwanda was attempted genocide, what happened in Cambodia was attempted genocide, what the Government in Sudan and their Janjaweed allies are practicing/attempting in Darfur at the moment is genocide.
2. "Europeans and people of European origin are responsible for the kidnapping and enslavement of millions of Africans, as well as for enslaving many generations of their offspring" - Well maybe according to Arthur Hailey in his best seller, "Roots", CarolC, but that was the stuff of fiction, not reality. The Slave Trade was extremely well documented by those Europeans and people of European origin (Americans – "A Yankee ship came down the river blow boys blow; Her masts and yards they shone like silver; Blow me bully-boys blow) who took part in it. They kidnapped millions of Africans did they CarolC? Any idea how they managed that? When? Where? In the 350 years of the trade there were only ever two instances where "Europeans and people of European origin" went into the hinterland of the West Coast of Africa to collect slaves, the rest of the time they picked them up from Barracoons on the coast. The greatest slavers in Africa CarolC were the Africans themselves aided and abetted by your pals, the Arabs, "Europeans and people of European origin" came a very poor third.
3. "Europeans and people of European origin are responsible for apartheid South Africa". Europeans most certainly were not, as apartheid only came to South Africa after 1948 when the Afrikaner National Party won the elections there. So this must be down to those classified by CarolC as "people of European origin", in this case the Afrikaners, formerly the Boers, formerly Dutch Settlers of the Cape Region who had arrived there in the 1650's, and who pre-dated the arrival in the area of the Zulu's by nearly 200 years.
4. "On top of that, Europeans are entirely responsible for the Holocaust." – Really CarolC? Don't you find that just a little bit too much of a generalization? Europeans in general were responsible for the Holocaust. No, CarolC, one single political party, in one European country was responsible for the Holocaust and in general it was the vast majority of Europeans who rose up to combat it – Now what is the betting that somebody is going to comment that we couldn't have done it without the help of the Americans, which is true, and for which we are all extremely grateful. But note in this context they will be described as Americans who came to our aid, not "people of European origin".
5. "Europeans and people of European origin", CarolC have admittedly done many bad things as have others, they have certainly made mistakes down through the centuries as have others, but what cannot be denied is that balanced against all of that, they have also brought much good to the lands they traveled to and traded with and to mankind in general.
"Ethnic Cleansing" of Palestinians? When their population has grown at a near equal rate to that of the Israelis since the 1960's. Pretty inefficient and ineffective ethnic cleansing don't you think CarolC?