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Thread #111572   Message #2364352
Posted By: CarolC
12-Jun-08 - 01:42 PM
Thread Name: BS: Israeli Jews/Israeli Arabs
Subject: RE: BS: Israeli Jews/Israeli Arabs
Genocide is not the murder of a "whole group" of people. At least not according to the people who name mass killings "genocide". Rwanda, for instance, or Darfur, or the Holocaust.

This is from the United Nations' Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide...

[G]enocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


Whether or not some of the people in Africa assisted the slave traders in doing their work, that does not mitigate the crimes that were committed by the slave traders themselves. When the slave traders took possession of human beings, regardless of whether or not they took them from their homes or from other Africans, they were still kidnapping them. They didn't have to take them from the other Africans. They could have set them free. They did not. They took them and placed them in bondage and sold them into slavery.


While the Zulu may have arrived in South Africa after the Europeans, the San and the Khoekhoe predate the Europeans by thousands of years, and non-Zulu Bantu speaking people predate the Europeans by many hundreds of years. Thulamela was occupied by these people in the 13th Century, and Mapungubwe in the 12th century.


There were no people responsible for the Holocaust who were not Europeans.


I notice that every time I make a point to correct someone's distortion of my words, people take that point and distort it as well.    The purpose in saying what I did about Europeans is to point out that the conflict is not between Jews and non-Jews, but between European colonialists and indigenous people. I'm really not interested in having a debate on who is the biggest bad guy.


Whether the ethnic cleansing is effective or not, it is still ethnic cleansing.