Leadfingers - thanks for the reminder, it was indeed The Rose where the stabbing took place. And trayton, I didn't stay until after midnight despite the copper on the door to prevent us leaving. I said to him 'Are we under arrest?' He said 'No', so I walked right past him with my wife and we went home - he didn't even take our details. At the time I worked regularly with the police and knew that they couldn't stop you without arresting you. Just as well because we had a babysitter booked until 11:30 so had to get home.