Ah Carolc, you have no sense of allusion or analogy. CarolC makes an argument; X refutes the argument. CarolC moves the argument over here, to be refuted by someone else or even X. Now CarolC moves her argument over there. Then somewhere else, and some where else again. But she seldom actually addresses the original refutation. Hence Wack-A-Mole. If I offend you, so be it.