Talking of "old fashioned" seems to me that many here still labour under the illusion that the Capitalist system can somehow evolve into a user friendly method of running our society.
This is wishful thinking in the extreme and wishful thinking explains the popularity of Mr Obama in some sections of the populace who ought to have learned better.

Folk like Amos , Ebbie, Sue (and others who obviously don't feel up to lending their support to Mr O in this thread), are no spring chickens; one would think that a lifetime's exposure to Capitalism in the raw, although not resulting in ninety degree burns(Amos),would at least have roasted their arses a little.

John Pilger mentions one piece of rhetoric by Obama which I did hear on TV, "an undivided Jerusalem as the Israeli capital."
No person who wants to see peace in the Middle East would ever make such a statement. It was simply a nod towards the Zionist lobby which contains most of the movers and shakers of corporate America.

Ok Bobert he may be the "least worst choice" on paper, but if he continues as he has begun you won't be able to get a cigarette paper between him and McCain come election time.