The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #112368 Message #2380622
Posted By: The Fooles Troupe
03-Jul-08 - 09:47 PM
Thread Name: The Weekly Walkabout
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
"It's only the really bad singers who buy into the kind of arbitrary, nonsensical ideas that you seem to cling to."
Don, you've heard of my "B-graders" theory of life? The A graders have the talent and knowledge, the B graders have only the persistence...
"they are having a great old time picking on "the dweeb""
Now I don't like Lenard Cohen as a general rule, but I do love 'Fisrt we take Manhattan, then we take New York'. I don't mind a lot of WAVs poetry. I haven't been criticising it. But when he starts on the 'ignorant B-grader crap' about technical stuff I have a passing interest in, and a lot of others have even more experience with, I have been merely trying to educate him. As he has demonstrated, he insists that he knows more than us. Listening to him perform, say his critics, reveals that he doesn't - even though he alleges that he has won 1st prizes for doing things his way.
"should simply look the other way when someone is obviously drowning, and if he doesn't explicitly call for help, just let the bugger drown. Would that satisfy the peanut gallery?"
Well this is more a case of some silly ignorant bugger standing in water up to his neck and refusing to shut up or sit down and drown...
"do you mean Irish music played on the English penny whistle"
This reveals someone who is not widely musically educated, sadly...
"breathing-type exercise I do: i.e., going through a 2-octave chromatic-scale on the tenor-recorder/English-flute, which takes about 40 seconds, on one breath."
1) Well for a start, the process of voice production/projection also involves the vocal chords. Playing a wind instrument to train vocal production is really only a sort of 'one handed voice exercise'... :-P
2) If you want to play the 'ball clanker singing games' I mentioned before, get serious and try to last at LEAST a minute... physically watch on closeup opera singers breathe while singing...
3) "tenor-recorder/English-flute" Bloody Hell! how creative!!! it's really called a 'fipple flute' as distinct from a 'flauto-traverso', and a recorder - with its origins in Europe (Purcell, Bach, Telemann and Vivaldi etc)- is no more deserving of being called an "English Flute" than any 'flauto traverso'... and a Tenor recorder (unless WAV can provide documentation to prove his claim) is no more prevalent or common than a Treble in England than anywhere else in Europe...
This also reveals someone who is not widely musically educated, sadly...
"Quavery voice, very iffy sense of pitch, no breath support, raspy quality in the voice."
"I think its more the sound of a cow with a Dachshund up its ass"
"Unless you want to be an object of pity and ridicule, for cryin' out loud, don't put your singing on the internet until you can at least sing on pitch and hold a steady, firm tone that doesn't wobble all over the place!"
"If you're going to do this, [and insist on boring/annoying your betters] you may as well learn to do it right."
Well said Don (and others).
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"Catspaw would make a bullocky blush"
As as Aussie who knows a bullocky or two,
That statement is full of Bull...
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"I started out, actually believing in principle, some of his notions."
So did I.
"But his posts and threads become more about self promotion of his beliefs he has written about on his website. Whenever any of us challenge him on specific points, most of the time he does not respond, or quotes ad infinitum from the same website, which is not really answering the question."
And he tries to put down any help from the experienced as only "misunderstanding his 'theories'".
"maybe WAV was deliberately doing the stuff he does here just for laughs...in which case he probably wouldn't mind people making fun of it, but lately I'm not so sure if that is the case. It gets a little hard to figure out exactly what is going on here."
"I had the impression he was just amusing himself."
But it's what he's doing with the other hand that is worrying some of us...
:-)