My last word for the day, as I'm on the way out the door. I see no need to be either a patriot or patriotic. I see them both as scarecrows and straw men, used cynically by an authoritarian ruling elite (the church, corporate, and founding fathers), to control people, land, and resources in a way that benefits them at the expense of those people, land, and resources.

In other words, I don't believe in any of it, and I am working for the benefit of future generations, and a day when it will be seen as just one more ugly aspect of the "way we used to be".

Have a great Saturday, folks. It's been a very interesting conversation.