My humble contribution to this erudite debate is as follows: a link for those who are interested in seeing how logic and reason can be used to understand how religious types of all persuasions try to promote their own versions of the "truth" whatever that is! The tools and techniques used are all revealed. The Author summarises the article as follows:

>This guide, Prophecy for Dummies, is a simple, concise and effective resource for jump-starting your religion, gaining or adding to your mythical reputation, obtaining additional followers, and many other worthwhile goals. It lists all of the major ways that preternatural knowledge of future events can be obtained in a detailed and easily understood fashion. No longer will you need a lengthy and exhausting initiation into a mystery religion or years of apprenticeship under a veteran Prophet. Many have found going out on their own a liberating and rewarding experience; with thorough knowledge of the ways of the Prophet, and hopefully a bit of luck, so will you.

http://www.fstdt.com/winace/proph4dums/index.htm

Enjoy and understand the logical structures and processes that religious types use to peddle their "visions".

Cheers,

Andrez