thanx cap't bob that cleared things up a little ive been workin out a little irish stuff which i translated from tin whistle and guitar so thanx for that info i only just found this site and i really cant thank you all enough all this info is kinda mindboggling to me im pretty much computer illiterate so i didnt know about any of this its amazing!! i think i might turn into a computer nerd and never leave the internet again....or not love ruby