Some good points, Teribus. You are quite right of course about the 2nd/3rd generation thing. I apologise for it and will refrain in future. They are, of course, English kids. Funnily enough I sent a form back to Manchester PTE the other day about the new congestion proposals - On it they wanted to know not only my genger but my ethnic origins! I wrote across it 'What does it matter what gender I am or race I am from - I still need to get in and out of town!':-)

Some points not so well made, however. Nowhere does bubblyrat mention anything about the aliens, 'they', the ones to be sent back, being illegal or criminal. In fact his turn of phrase is I am not only disturbed,but quite upset at the ever-increasing number of foreigners / aliens who have been allowed , by successive British governments, to come and live in MY country without any prior consultation with myself or my fellow countrymen . Have been ALLOWED by etc. Surely this indicates some legality of entry doesn't it? I believe the rat is suggesting is that all immigrants are sent back. That is how it reads to me and as no other explanation has been forthcoming I can only continue to see it that way.

I am far from being the 'pinko liberal' that I suspect I am beeing viewed as btw. I am quite happy with the 'sending back' of criminals if they are here illegaly. I would be first in the queue to support the suggested punishment for the knife gangs. But when it seems like the intention of a poster is to stir up anti-immigrant feelings against the thousands of innocent and genuine economic and political migrants by likening them to the minority criminal element, I will question them. Just as I will also question anyone who suggests, by implication, that the majority of streets in England are unsafe. But surely that should be on another thread.

OK - Al has given no indication that his intent was racialy motivated but neither has he said anything against the rats comment that 'they' should go back where they came from. Just look back at the rats message - It appears that 'they' does include traffickers, yes, amongst such other crimes as wearing strange clothes, speaking in unfamiliar tongues and worshiping strange gods! It really sickens me that people can be so intollerant.

Cheers

Dave

Cheers

Dave