We have gay relatives on both sides of our family including my wife's nephew whom we both love dearly. I remember several years ago when his own Grandfather "relented" and said that he and his friend could come to the family's annual Christmas Eve party, but they would have to use plastic utensils. And no, he wasn't making a bad joke either. I could see quite well the pain this caused a fine young man.

   Now I would never ask a moderator to close ANY thread including this one, but for the record, I do consider most of Joy Bringer's remarks to be a personal attack...on my family!