Yes I have seen personal attacks on you Teribus, and I have thought they were designed to be hurtful.

But its your response that worries me.

lets face we're all 'of an age'.

You ain't going to persuade me to vote tory, and I doubt very much whether I will convince you that Gordon Brown is the best of a bad lot.

The best any of us is going to do is wrench from the other one a concession - maybe you've got a point.....

Every bit of abuse is a step with ten league boots away from the likelihood of that. All this apopleptic rage is doing you no good and its very unpersuasive.