That's right Little Hawk something like a Yorkshire Terrier or possibly a snappy little dog like a Dachshund. Now I have never owned either but you on the other hand, Little Hawk??

For WLD - "Yes I have seen personal attacks on you Teribus, and I have thought they were designed to be hurtful."

But never felt moved to go into print to pull anybody up on them eh Al? But you felt compelled to pull me up on something that never was - the supposed "personal attack" on Guest Shimrod. Now that is interesting Big Al, says volumes about you.

Another member on this forum, alanabit once asked me why it is I dislike "socialists" in general. I'll tell you why Big Al, because generally they are liars, they are dissemblers, they will tell whatever lie, they will look the other way and deny and ignore every fault brought to light within whatever system it is that they support and happens to be flavour of the month. When it fails as it inevitably does, it is dismissed as having not been truly "socialist" and the next band wagon is leapt upon and the cycle is repeated, and the poor fools who believed the lies they had been told sit back and swallow it all hook-line-and-sinker yet again.

Such systems promise much and deliver little - ask the constituents of Glasgow East - Ask Akenaton when was Glasgow East last represented by a Unionist MP? - Ask Akenaton when Glasgow or Strathclyde was last controlled by a Conservative or Unionist Council? - So you tell me who it was that let the people of Glasgow East down, it wasn't the "Unionists" it was a crowd of Labour dinosaurs who promised everybody a return to the "good old days" in traditional industries that were dead, priced out of the market by trade Union bickering and demarcation disputes.

In his "Glasgow earthquake" thread Akenaton has been repeatedly asked a very simple question by me and has so far refused to answer it. Very difficult to convince anyone that the political scene in a country is going to change overnight, or that the ground is going to change under one's feet when the political party being talked about only has the support of 20% of the electorate. Far easier to deflect the question and mither on about things that Teribus is supposed to have said but in actual fact hasn't.

If "socialism" is represented by the likes of those who have posted to this thread, Little Hawk, Akenaton, Richard Bridge, MGOH, Stigweard and yourself WLD, then God help it. Not an indication of any real back-bone, honesty or integrity to be found in any of you, the lot of you are more to be pitied than censured.