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Thread #113747   Message #2435000
Posted By: Jack Blandiver
09-Sep-08 - 06:10 AM
Thread Name: '5000 Morris Dancers'
Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
IB - we were taught in anthropology to refer to peoples in terms of culture not race/skin colour - more in line, in this case, with the modern American way ("African Americans", etc.), rather than the modern English way of "whites" and "blacks".And I thought you would have accepted by now that it's culture not race that I've always referred to. (It's some of the pro-immigrationists here that keep mentioning race.)

You can't separate issues of culture from issues of race & ethnicity, especially in the context of a multi-cultural UK. We all know what is meant by terms such as African-American with regard to ethnicity, though culturally it might not be so straightforward. If this was the case, then you would accept that the cultural make-up of these North Atlantic Islands has been defined by 10,000 years (and more) of immigration. This process continues, making us what we are; what we have always been, but you continue to question it. Why?

Also - you have said on numerous occasions that your ideal England was that which existed before the immigrations of the 1950s, giving very clear indication of the sort of immigration you're referring to. It is these notions, and admissions, coupled with your somewhat bizarre notions of what constitutes Our Own Good English Culture (i.e. a stereotypical folk culture which is almost 100% revived and in no way shape or form reflects the actual cultural concerns of the English people, rather the recreational indulgence of a tiny minority of same) and your professed militancy in this respect that would certainly suggest that your ideas run a good deal deeper than the cultural.
   
Also, 2 months is a tad early, but I don't get that many visits so, if I posted "Cob a Coaling" here say 2 weeks before Bonfire night, hardly anyone would here it. (Similarly, I intend to put my carols up at the start of Advent.)

You get a lot more visits than we do, WAV - having some 6027 friends & some 72 plays already today. I know it is the English Way to start celebrating too early (the first Christmas lights should be going up as I write)but in the world of folklore, revived or otherwise, such festivities are very specific & that specificness should, I feel, be respected, otherwise you lose the ceremonial & ritual focus that is carried in the entire sense of the song - especially regarding Myspace, which can be changed at a moment's notice and is ideal for such seasonal merrymaking. We're still in BST; still some eleven days off the equinox, so in terms of a song essentially tied to a cross-quarter fire festival supposedly derived from the moveable / lunar Samhain, then maybe you should wait until October is well under way. I know you take great pride in such things, as well you should; they mean a lot to me too, part of my entire appreciation of Folk Music is the seasonal context in which such ceremonial songs occur, thus do I say a tad pemature. I agree with putting the carols up at Advent though; just as long as you don't take them down again until Twelfth Night.